Curse

hurdlebeast · Jul 03, 2008, 04:10 PM // 16:10

The only way for the economy to return to normal is for a) Anet to start nerfing all the overpowered builds (Ursan is top of the list here) and b) introduce more, rare weapons after said nerfs take place.

That way you have rare, expensive items that are not easily farmed...just like back in the good old days. More importantly, they should be accessible only to diverse, well-organized groups. Bring back the Pugging! It's what makes games like GW fun, not being in a group just because you bought the expansion and have that one specific skill.

Tyla · Jul 03, 2008, 06:09 PM // 18:09

/Signed.

Not to mention that it destroyed the meaning of "Bar comprehension", tried to fix profession discrimination by introducing a PvE's own title discrimination and it's just stupidly imbalanced and skill-less with next to no margin of failure.

Torabo · Jul 03, 2008, 09:50 PM // 21:50

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Originally Posted by Sin City Gamer

People weren't complaining about SF because it was SF, they were complaining because ecto prices dropped.

And regarding quietly enjoying your dish: if someone else is screaming about that dish, are you gonna just sit there and let them ruin your meal by getting the dish changed? I'm not. I will not sit back quietly and let my meal be ruined by the dish being horrible either. As I stated before, if you want Ursan left alone, I suggest that you start your own initiative to keep it. We saw today that ANET will listen to the players, regardless of the ACTUAL percentages of people complaining about SF.

LoL, while quite truthful, I find it sad when people take pride in the fact that if you scream louder, you are more likely to get what you want at the expense of others (maybe its the majority, maybe not in this case, who knows for sure). Unlike you, I am unable to embrace that stance, I will just either adapt to whatever changes that occur, or just leave when I cannot stand it anymore. A simple matter of principle really. I am just glad i never recommended this game to certain friends, as this is the one online game I've played so far with the most whiners (Don't know about WoW as I've decided long ago not to play that) and where it seems 'balances' occur through random 'dart throwing' or by whining louder than others.

Sin City Gamer · Jul 03, 2008, 10:05 PM // 22:05

@ Everyone complaining about the Open Letters:

I quoted the definition of an open letter from wikipedia in an earlier post, but, obviously, none of you read that. An open letter isn't meant to represent everyone's opinion. It is merely a letter that I sent to ANET and then made available for a large audience to read, so that they would know what kind of correspondence is being sent. If you agree, send a letter saying so. If you disagree, send a letter stating your position. OR... you can continue to QQ in your own way about open letters becoming a trend and do nothing about it. They're not a new trend. They've been around forever because THEY ARE EFFECTIVE.

@ Torabo:

I'm not exceptionally happy about lowering myself to these measures either, but it is the only way I have witnessed to be effective with ANET. As you can probably tell already, I am passionate about this issue, and have the initiative to try and do something about it, so I will use any reasonable means available to do so.

Kinn · Jul 03, 2008, 10:20 PM // 22:20

All these open letters are just sad. What makes people think that flinging a few "Sincerely"s and "To Whom it may concern"s around are going to make Anet pay any more attention to their wall of text than they do to any other random forum post?

Sin City Gamer · Jul 03, 2008, 10:25 PM // 22:25

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Originally Posted by Kinn

All these open letters are just sad. What makes people think that flinging a few "Sincerely"s and "To Whom it may concern"s around are going to make Anet pay any more attention to their wall of text than they do to any other random forum post?

Did you not read the post above you?

This forum post is not what I intend ANET to read... I actually sent the letter to them. The forum post is for everyone else to read and decide whether or not they want to send a letter stating their position.

Rene Saliere · Jul 07, 2008, 05:00 PM // 17:00

This skill represented the end of many hours of fun in GW for myself and many other long term players.

The situation has gone unremedied for so many months now that the damage is permanent to the game and the community.

I consider the damage to be retroactive, due the decline in value of in-game titles and items.

At any rate, this game developer has lost my trust and I will never knowing buy another of their products. I believe that the introduction of this skill, and the lack of attention to it will prove the death knell for GW2 as no former hardcore GW enthusiasts will risk wasting their time on hard-won game accomplishments after this debacle.

It saddens me that I believe (without malice I might add) GW2 will have low sales, but I hope I am wrong for the sake of this economic model. Perhaps another company will consider using the model.

Think about it people: The majority of players buying GW 2 will be players that think Ursan's Blessing was cool. And you won't be able to avoid them because the world will be persistent. : )

I've officially given up on you, ANet. Thanks for the good times.

Mad King Corn · Jul 07, 2008, 05:11 PM // 17:11

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The majority of players buying GW 2 will be players that think Ursan's Blessing was cool.

I've officially given up on you, ANet. Thanks for the good times.

Then so be it! I myself will give up on anet when they stop giving PVE nice skills, or start nerfing them because of eliteist crybabies that think they are so good that these skills arent needed. Anet put these skills in the game for a reason!

Tyla · Jul 07, 2008, 05:16 PM // 17:16

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Anet put these skills in the game for a reason!

Did you just call yourself and other players [email protected] or is it just me?

Oh yeah, calling people elitist because they believe something should be nerfed or buffed because it's overpowered or may have potential in being quite powerful is stupid. PvE skills tied to title rank create discrimination after destroying discrimination. Aswell as Ursan giving you a pre-made bar.

Jenn · Jul 07, 2008, 05:35 PM // 17:35

/notsigned.

UB doesn't affect me negatively. So... I don't care?

Rene Saliere · Jul 07, 2008, 05:43 PM // 17:43

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Originally Posted by Mad King Corn

Anet put these skills in the game for a reason!

For both ANet, and the pro-UB GW community,

Ursan's Blessing = the triumph of groupthink*

* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groupthink

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Originally Posted by Illfated Fat

/notsigned.

UB doesn't affect me negatively. So... I don't care?

If you didn't care you wouldn't have voted/posted. As it is your default pro-UB stance is argued from a purely selfish perspective and therefore has little relevance to the welfare of the community of 'other people'.

I have to repeat it: Warning! These pro-UB people will be the ones buying GW 2!

Sniper22 · Jul 07, 2008, 05:44 PM // 17:44

Ursan blessing killed my PvE experience. Ya it destroyed class discrimination; your mesmer can now play pve. The only problem is that you AREN'T PLAYING MESMER. When I get on my necro, I want to play a necro or play my ranger, assassin etc. I don't want to play a freaking bear. Where is the fun in that... RAAWR I'M A BEAR I CAN PRESS 123... I WIN!!!! < That's what GW turned into. GW should nerf ursan by keeping it in GW:EN but also give more class specific PvE only skills to stop all the whining Ursan lovers who can't play PvE without it. This way they can be overpowered and we can all play our profession.

Abedeus · Jul 07, 2008, 05:46 PM // 17:46

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Originally Posted by Illfated Fat

/notsigned.

UB doesn't affect me negatively. So... I don't care?

Global warming doesn't affect me. So I don't care. Wait, why the temperature outside is 50'C?

Stockholm · Jul 07, 2008, 06:02 PM // 18:02

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Originally Posted by Rene Saliere

For both ANet, and the pro-UB GW community,

Ursan's Blessing = the triumph of groupthink*

* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groupthink

If you didn't care you wouldn't have voted/posted. As it is your default pro-UB stance is argued from a purely selfish perspective and therefore has little relevance to the welfare of the community of 'other people'.

I have to repeat it: Warning! These pro-UB people will be the ones buying GW 2!

Let's see

Con UB player only buys GW2= failed game, servers close within 6 months
Pro UB players only buys GW2= game is a success

PS. Above (my) calculations are from HOW MANY USE UB IN GAME Pure speculations, so don't try and be smart and ask for hard facts since non exists out side A-Net.

Rene Saliere · Jul 07, 2008, 06:42 PM // 18:42

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Originally Posted by Stockholm

Let's see

Con UB player only buys GW2= failed game, servers close within 6 months
Pro UB players only buys GW2= game is a success

PS. Above calculations are from HOW MANY USE UB IN GAME Pure speculations, so don't try and be smart and ask for hard facts since non exists out side A-Net.

I mentioned no 'calculations' but I offered my opinion that sales of GW:2 may be low because of disappointment from old/long term players over UB. Perhaps this anti-UB population isn't big enough to dent sales... I hope not, but they have definitely lost me.

I won't be buying GW:2 because my faith in Anet as game designers is gone because of Ursan's Blessing.

My faith in the potential GW:2 community, who, presumably liked Ursan's Blessing and the way it affected GW:1 is nonexistent.

vandevere · Jul 07, 2008, 10:12 PM // 22:12

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Originally Posted by Abedeus

Global warming doesn't affect me. So I don't care. Wait, why the temperature outside is 50'C?

Global Warming is RL, ie, a real problem to be concerned about. People who don't care about Ursan don't care about something that's fictional...

Believe it or not, there is a difference...

Amnel Ithtirsol · Jul 08, 2008, 10:02 AM // 10:02

I find this QQing about UB quite funny. If you dont like it, don't play it. Simple... right? /duh

ANet should post the stats on the amount of people actively playing UB vs the amount of people on this forum crying for the nerv.

It would also be interresting to see how many people actually bought GW:EN specifically for UB...

viper11025 · Jul 08, 2008, 04:48 PM // 16:48

Another *Cry* Ursan thread?
/closed
PLZ

Jenn · Jul 08, 2008, 06:24 PM // 18:24

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Originally Posted by Abedeus

Global warming doesn't affect me. So I don't care. Wait, why the temperature outside is 50'C?

The reason it doesn't affect me is because I proactively surround myself with good people and quality players

. People can do something about their situation, I'm guessing most choose not to. Guru is a very small part of the GW community.

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Originally Posted by Rene Saliere

As it is your default pro-UB stance is argued from a purely selfish perspective and therefore has little relevance to the welfare of the community of 'other people'.

I have to repeat it: Warning! These pro-UB people will be the ones buying GW 2!

As for you, Einstein, I didn't say I'm pro-UB. I'm rather neutral - I prefer not to use it, but I understand that it can be a useful tool for some people in certain situations. See above response for why I'm more apathetic about its existence. My suggestion is that if you do a lot of pugging but hate UB, find a guild that suits your playstyle. If you really are "too good" to use UB and therefore have the need to complain, make something work for you. The reason it probably hasn't been nerfed by now is because of how many people that play GW who don't visit these forums and can have a use for it.

romeus petrus · Jul 08, 2008, 07:43 PM // 19:43

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Originally Posted by Illfated Fat

If you really are "too good" to use UB and therefore have the need to complain, make something work for you.

So simple, yet it makes so much sense..

If you think you're too good to use UB, don't use it.

/notsigned.